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Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:47:00 -
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I disagree with scamming newbros, as well as disagree with blanket bans for behavior like this.
I'm pretty torn TBH, but this CCP decision is indeed on a slippery slope. It would be nice to design a "corp finder" with similar functionality to the agent finder so the channel itself could be free game again, but thats not a tiny task.
My point is, there are much better ways to ensure new players have positive first experiences with EVE than this. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:
I feel that the whole "scamming new players" thing is just something that the ~anti-griefer~ crowd likes to harp on about. What defines a "new player?" How is a new player even worth scamming?
My experience is that scams see much more ISK going the other way - I've seen newbies in my alliance scam 70M SP bittervets out of ISK and ships in their first week.
That's a valid point, but here's how I see it.
Quite a few new players get royally screwed by scams, they are by far the most vulnerable group to them. This often results in lower player retention for EVE. Making it completely illegal to scam them is just a bad idea - it breaks the very core of EVE - but giving them somewhat safer means of getting themselves started only makes EVE better for everyone by maximizing player retention.
Things like channels where scamming is a bannable offense simply aren't the way to fix this. If anything, just gently nudge newer players towards groups like EUNI or Agony, so they can get on their feet before being swept off them for the first time.
Scams should simply never be bannable unless they are only possible as a result of blatant manipulation of mechanics. I'm all for making it harder to scam fresh-faced newbros, but not making it an impossibility. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:19:00 -
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Terazul wrote:More like the recruitment channel kiiiind of loses its luster if it's constantly being spammed by scam artists instead of people trying to actually get people into their corporation.
As if it was ever a good place to find a corp. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:31:00 -
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Esbelta wrote:Everyone keeps acting as if noobs need protection from scamming. What part of" no one wants to scam a noob because they don't have jack ****" don' t you douche nozzles understand?
I'm not talking about good scams. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:18:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote: Sorry i dont see it, all I see from the long term graph (which is up to date) is a downard trend to a virtual flat line, there is no serious growth trend to account for and please attribute it to Goons playstyle.
I hope you're aware that time progresses from right to left on those graphs.
Try hovering your mouse over one. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:21:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
Hypocrite.
FTFY A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:32:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote: Sorry i dont see it, all I see from the long term graph (which is up to date) is a downard trend to a virtual flat line, there is no serious growth trend to account for and please attribute it to Goons playstyle.
I hope you're aware that time progresses from right to left on those graphs. Try hovering your mouse over one. They were kind enough to label datapoints, even if they didn't have the foresight to properly label their axes. So look at the last years figures, it starts in the 40k+ and stagnates down to the mid high 35k+. Would you say that is a growth pattern?
Read them again.
Everyone knows Incarna bombed. Subs are climbing now. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:40:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
Kind of missing the point, I know about the incarna bomb, I know about the crucible enthusiasm, though that seems to have simply peaked and died from the graph. I don't see any growth to shout about, and I certainly dont see the issues attributable to Goons playstyle which is what the discussion was about.
You can't really track that sort of data without new player questionnaires over a multi-year period. If thats the point you were trying to make, linking to overall subscription graphs was honestly either very stupid or an attempt at misdirection.
I can tell you this however - Little Bees is why I came back to EVE after quitting in like 2006, and all of my RL friends ho played came back due to similar propaganda videos.
No one does propaganda like the CFC and historically, the Goons specifically. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
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